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using our output profile as standard workflow profile in Photoshop?

Offline jeffburris Posted 08-18-2007 - 10:16 PM
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hello,
i was wondering if anyone is using their output profiles that they have made in Media Manager and exported them and use them as an embedded profile in photoshop . we use mainly one media all day and I am thinking that this might help our customers to see what color we can get and not get on their files by making the onyx output profile available on our website for download for our customer so embed in their files before sending them to us for printing. anyone doing this?

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Jeff Burris
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Offline Scott Posted 08-19-2007 - 10:25 AM
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I've often wondered about that myself, but I've been using the advice of Morgan (eye4clr) at PrintingDigital. Here's some snippets of what he said.

Quote:Trying to get folks outside your organization to download and correctly use "your" working space is typically going to overcomplicate compared to just getting them to use a standardized preset in the adobe apps, embed the profile, and not use a bogus printer as a so called proof. When the customer's expectations for the color in their file goes sideways, everyone is going to suffer.
I've got everyone using US Web Coated SWOP and have that specified in my quicksets for files. It has worked quite well and it much easier than having a designer download and install my profile and use that. I'm far from an expert on this and I'm still trying to get this process down as I still get some strange color issues that I don't believe I should be having, but are because of not having my quicksets setup properly or something.

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Offline jeffburris Posted 08-19-2007 - 12:31 PM
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Scott,
i have the most trouble with dark blues and purples from files. screen color never matches prints. i was hoping to export the onyx output profile and see if we can use it in house for a while to prepare for what we are going to see when we print. i thought this would be the logical first step.

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Jeff Burris
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Offline Hotspur Posted 08-25-2007 - 03:00 PM
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Hi

I think that the way to use the Onyx icc, or any printer profile, is to use it as your proof profile in PhotoShop, rather than as the embedded color space.

Your PhotoShop color space / embedded profile should be device independent - adobe1998 / srgb / swop whatever, but not a printer profile.

In my workflow I build a vector image in Illustrator using my chosen color space - US web coated SWOP for CMYK or Adobe 1998 for RGB. This then becomes the embedded profile when I send it to Onyx.

If I'm scanning I have an icc built for my scanner but I can't embed it in the file using the scanner software. Thus I bring the file into PhotoShop without color management and then "assign" the scanner icc to the image. Then I "convert" it to my color space - in this case Adobe 1998 - and use this as my embedded profile into Onyx.

If I have a file from a customer which already has an embedded profile I just "convert" it to my chosen color space - if it does not have one I just bring it in and apply my color space to it.

If I want to see how all this will look printed I import a printer icc into PhotoShop and use it as my proof profile for temporarily viewing my image as a proof (apple Y is the Mac shortcut) but I don't embed it - it is my color space that I embed.

My screen is profiled so that the colors I see match the print - but only when Onyx is set to use the embedded profile and I hit Apple Y with my printer profile selected as the proof profile in PhotoShop.

This work flow seems to be OK for most of the work - I'm still trying to make sense of it all.
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Offline SWCL Posted 02-27-2008 - 08:13 AM
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I would love to know why the colour changes on my setup..

I open a customers file in Photoshop in CMYK space (asigning US Web SWOP v2), they have asked for a specific pantone colour - I check what the file says the colour is (using colour picker > custom > Pantone solid to process coated - which I found to give a closer match when printed that the Pantone coated colour)

I tweak it if its off, & the image is now the colour it should be & in the same colour space as the printer (Mimaki JV3 160s in this case), I generally save the file as a pdf or a tiff & then drop it on my hot folder (default settings)

The Rip is set up to use the embeded profile or use US Web SWOP v2 for CMYK image / vector & Adobe 98 for RGB image / vector.

When I preflight the image (after its finished ripping the preview) & use the sample point tool the colour has changed!!??

I have a job in at the moment which is begining to bug me..:mad:

I have a Tiff image - saved as above (CMYK - SWOP) & the colour in Photoshop is C65 M51 Y51 K22. Open it in the Rip & its changed to C67.1 M66.7 Y63.1 K16.5.

Why when everything appear to be set correctly, does the colour change in the Rip?

Also - just out of interest.. how does this rip know that a PDF is either CMYK or RGB? its not obvious from the outside & not in the basic info you get to see in Acrobat.. I'm even asked whether I want it to be CMYK or RGB when I open the image in photoshop (if its been created by something else). - That doesn't really concern me, I just wanted to know how Wink

Chris.
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Offline M.A.C. Posted 02-27-2008 - 09:18 AM
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9876curve Wrote:Hi

I think that the way to use the Onyx icc, or any printer profile, is to use it as your proof profile in PhotoShop, rather than as the embedded color space.

Your PhotoShop color space / embedded profile should be device independent - adobe1998 / srgb / swop whatever, but not a printer profile.

In my workflow I build a vector image in Illustrator using my chosen color space - US web coated SWOP for CMYK or Adobe 1998 for RGB. This then becomes the embedded profile when I send it to Onyx.

If I'm scanning I have an icc built for my scanner but I can't embed it in the file using the scanner software. Thus I bring the file into PhotoShop without color management and then "assign" the scanner icc to the image. Then I "convert" it to my color space - in this case Adobe 1998 - and use this as my embedded profile into Onyx.

If I have a file from a customer which already has an embedded profile I just "convert" it to my chosen color space - if it does not have one I just bring it in and apply my color space to it.

If I want to see how all this will look printed I import a printer icc into PhotoShop and use it as my proof profile for temporarily viewing my image as a proof (apple Y is the Mac shortcut) but I don't embed it - it is my color space that I embed.

My screen is profiled so that the colors I see match the print - but only when Onyx is set to use the embedded profile and I hit Apple Y with my printer profile selected as the proof profile in PhotoShop.

This work flow seems to be OK for most of the work - I'm still trying to make sense of it all.
This is a a good solid workflow , and veryyyy similar to mine.

You sure you cant embed your scanning profiles at the time of capture? What scanner are you running?
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