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Thrive 12 or is it me ?

Offline petervansteen Posted 12-02-2015 - 05:41 AM
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Onyx Version:
Thrive 12
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HP Latex 370 / Canon IPF 815 / Roland XJ640

Hi there,

In the past I have worked with several rips including Onyx Postershop (it's been about 5 years). Not very long ago we purchased another rip and I chose Thrive, mainly because of it's PDF-workflow. I'm a newbie with a lack of time at thrive.

I get a lot of pdf-files to rip and print. I used to raster them in Photoshop and print them directly. With thrive, the workflow is much more efficient, but I just can't find how to crop the PDF-files to the trim or crop box. The only option is bounding box, leaving me with bleed and cropmarks I can do without, because those prints are usually trimmed with a keencut. the surplus media is trimmed away.

Also, tiling is a pain. There are three ways : in Rip Queue - no equal tiles possible, not able to send as individual files. in Job Editor - Able to send the tiles as individual files but no equal tiles possible and finally : Layout tool : Equal tiles are possible but I can't send them as individual files. I quess I must be missing something...

Also, it would be very nice to have an "rotate to fit to media option" in Rip Queue. Versaworks comes free with the Roland an does this. Very nice feature and I miss it in Thrive.

Workarounds, suggestions or comments by a Onyx-guru are very much appreciated.

regards,

Peter
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2015 06:00 AM by petervansteen.)
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Offline Pauly Posted 12-02-2015 - 06:41 AM
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12.0
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Oce Arizona 480XT

Hello Peter,

Welcome to using Thrive. You can crop in job editor. by either choosing your bounding box size and moving it. or drag the corners of the page and it should have a crop box.

Not sure what you want to do with tiles. I don't use it at all. Sometimes i use layout tool to do multiple images on 1 page to be cut ect but that's it.

No rotate to fit media. good and bad i suppose. Just create a quick set to automatically rotate the file, apply what ever settings you want to it. so when you open the files that need to be rotated, you open it with the applied quickset.
There might be a way to "rotate to fit media" in the quick sets or might be a scaling thing, i don't remember, (not at work)

Thrive 12 has many many cool options to play with and to learn.

Tip: i use illustrator to crop files if i need a precise size. Create a new page with the size you want. drag drop. resize then save as pdf. (i may be wrong as i cannot check this right now) but illustrator PDFs dont embed the image inside the pdf but use the original file and it's location. if you open it in illustrator and you've modified or deleted the original file, it wont show it on the art board.
Or you can export it as a .TIFF
All depends on preference.
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Offline petervansteen Posted 12-03-2015 - 01:11 AM
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Onyx Version:
Thrive 12
Printer(s):
HP Latex 370 / Canon IPF 815 / Roland XJ640

Thanks for your reply Pauly,

Plain "manual" cropping isn't an option when I have to print 45 to 150 A3-A1 prints that need to be trimmed afterwards. What I"m looking for is a behaviour like Photoshop when you open a PDF : the possibility to choose which cropbox to use for rastering the image. Now I have to open my PDF-files in Photoshop with trim-box selected, save them and print them using Thrive. Another option is to try not to cut away the cropmarks, which isn't obvious with a keencut. Both are a waste of precious time.

I print a lot of truck-sides. That requires tiling of course. For estaetic reasons we mostly prefer equal tiles. Sometimes something goes wrong while printing (end of media, head crash...) and one tile or the remaining tiles need to be printed seperately. That requires equal tiling, printing as individual files, an option not available in Onyx Thrive. I find it awkward that Thrives supports tiling in three subprograms, but all three methods are different. I remember that this was the case in Postershop 7, I'm wondering why Onyx haven't done anything about that !

I'm the only operator for about 5 printers, a cnc-router and opos-vinyn cutting. Most of the time, i have no real idea what the files I have to print look like until I've opened them. Making a quick-set to rotate will not make things better since not all files need to be rotated. Thrive reads the media and size from my Latex printer, puts files on hold when the wrong media of wring size is loaded etc. Very sofisticated if you ask me, so why not autorotate to fit that media ?
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Offline b-man Posted 12-07-2015 - 12:01 PM
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Various

Hi' Peter,
For 'autorotate to fit the media' as you call it.
I would go with 'Conserve Media' in placement strategy, and make sure you select 'BestFit' and 'Allow Rotate' in options. This should make your jobs position and rotate, to make better usage of the size of your medias...
Good luck!
/Peter
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Offline petervansteen Posted 12-08-2015 - 06:10 AM
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Onyx Version:
Thrive 12
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HP Latex 370 / Canon IPF 815 / Roland XJ640

Thanks B-man,

That's a step in the right direction, although this doesn't work with bitmapped files. Eps, PDF... no problem.

At least I'm allready halfway there ;-)

Regards,

Peter
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Offline b-man Posted 12-10-2015 - 10:44 AM
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... a halfdone job is still Work done Wink
/Peter
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Offline petervansteen Posted 12-10-2015 - 11:57 PM
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Thrive 12
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HP Latex 370 / Canon IPF 815 / Roland XJ640

True B-man...

This is the reply I got from Onyx... a lot of work to be done if you ask me.

·
Currently there is nothing in the ONYX software to respect the
trim box region. It can however use the PDF crop box. This is enabled by
default in the RIP Options. It's called USEPDFCROP = ON. When enabled ONYX will
look at the crop box and use this to define the edge of the PDF.


·
Auto-Equal_Tile is not possible. However this sound like a good
feature, I'll forward it. I know that the tiling is something that is being
worked on in the next version so it might already be there.


·
Rotate to file is not possible. Again any feature request we
will forward. Then productmanagement will decide if it's something they would
like to add fora future release.
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