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Mimaki JV3 drivers

Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-13-2008 - 06:03 AM
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Myself, along with our vedor tech have come to the conclusion that Onyx is not all it's cracked up to be, and in fact sucks when trying to run the JV3s in a high quality print shop. Onyx agrees that most of my problems have been related to onyx so we are slowly switching to Fiery.

Good luck!

jim
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Offline M.A.C. Posted 05-13-2008 - 09:12 AM
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Care to elaborate?
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Offline SWCL Posted 05-14-2008 - 01:11 AM
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Production House v7.3.2
Printer(s):
HP DJ5000, Epson 9600, Mimaki JV3-160s Ultra

As above - care to expand on that a little..

We have a 160s so what are the problems you have experienced - what should I look out for?

Chris.
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Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-14-2008 - 03:22 AM
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We had been fighting an ink starvation problem since we got the JV3s, about 3 months ago. Our 160 is 6 color and out 130 is 4 color. Custom profiles for the 6 color in onyx could never come up with good linerization curves and the starvation issue was identical on both machines. We opened in October of 2007 and at first had a JV33 and then a JV5 before we went to the JV3s. Didn't have the problem on the 33 or 5, but the JV3s never ran very good. Had the techs here numerous times as it looked like a mechanical problem with the printers, but it was not. Made my first profile with fiery yesterday on Glen Raven Poly Oxford white fabric and printed about 20' of jobs with it and all is perfect!!!! No starvation and the color blows onyx away!!!!! Besides the starvations issue, Onyx has too many problems with it, file format combatability, auto rotating, printing only certain pages from mulitiple page pdf, so on an so on. If it worked the was it's suppose to be Onyx would be great, but in one week with the fiery it proves onyx isn't even close.

Granted, we are not a sign shop and do mostly agency work, tradeshows, and pop items. Our stuff needs to be perfect or the customer won't accept it.

I'd be happy to talk to anyone with the info I've learned, just message me with a phone number and I'd be happy to call you.

Jim
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Offline Fingers Posted 05-14-2008 - 04:04 AM
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Onyx Version:
7.3.2
Printer(s):
Hp5000, HP5500, Mimaki JV3

Hi,

Were you using the Ultra driver or the original JV3 onyx driver?

Craig
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Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-14-2008 - 04:54 AM
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We had the ultra drivers on both as recommended by our vendor. Could that have been it????????

Jim
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Offline Fingers Posted 05-14-2008 - 01:59 PM
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7.3.2
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Hp5000, HP5500, Mimaki JV3

No - the Ultra driver is far superior IMHO. I run the 160SP with similar settings to you, but have had no problems. Just though I'd ask the obvious.
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Offline Scott Posted 05-15-2008 - 07:59 AM
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It's unfortunate that you've had the problems that you have. I have no experience with Fiery, but you've got to do what works best for your business.

I've made Onyx aware of your situation and comments here so hopefully something can be addressed in regards to this situation or at least in the future for other users who are still running Onyx and having similar issues.

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Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-15-2008 - 10:32 AM
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Scott,

There is a job ticket for it at Onyx all ready. Can't explain the problem on the 4 color machine, but the curves on the six color machine have a huge spike in the 25-35 % area. Onyx had no answer other than sending it to the engineers.

I was hoping onyx would end up working for us as I spent the last 6 months using it, but we ended up junking most of what we printed on the JV3s until the fiery. Our epson seems to work fine with onyx, the not our mimakis.

Jim
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Offline Scott Posted 05-15-2008 - 01:28 PM
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I'll check with the engineers and see if there's been any updates/progress

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Offline Brent Posted 05-16-2008 - 04:50 PM
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There have been some issues related to the JV3 that have been assigned to the development team to review and correct. These issues come from customers and are taken very seriously. For the most part the ultra driver has been working well.

In cases where a custom profile isn't achieving the expected results, we like to see a copy of the profile to review and offer suggestions. It also helps us to identify potential problems with the printer driver so we can improve on it. Exporting the file as an OML file and sending it to our support group with a description of the problem helps out immensely.

If you have a specific open call ticket number or development report number we can look at, I can report back on its progress. If you haven't already submitted a copy of your profile as an OML file for review you can do so at anytime.

I agree with Scott. You have to do what is best for you and your business. If we can help, please let us know.
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Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-18-2008 - 08:50 AM
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I believe they do have a profile from us and it has been in the works at onyx for about 2 weeks all ready. I wanted onyx to work, but it just doesn't work well with the JV3 printers.

Jim
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Offline Jmcnicoll Posted 05-19-2008 - 07:22 AM
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One more thing! The problems I have been having with onyx are not just related to my custom profiles. The same exact problems show up with the canned profiles from onyx.

Jim
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Offline Douglas Posted 07-31-2008 - 11:53 AM
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Jim,

I too am sorry that you were no table to get Onyx working as the solution for your shop. However I'd like to make a clarification for everyones benefit.

Ink Starvation refers to a mechanical condition.
As far as the Rip goes, its probably more accurate to describe what is happening as Under Inking.

The likely cause of this problem being that the coverage curves in the JV3 driver are not optimal for your needs. They definitely could use an overhaul.
Unfortunately, due to the age of the device and its dwindling support from Mimaki this is not likely to occur.

In any event, while this is not really helpful to Jim's situation I hope it helps others to understand the difference between the two conditions.

Doug Mackay
Engineering R&D Lab
ONYX - Simple. Innovative. Proven.
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Offline gazzamania Posted 07-27-2010 - 01:06 PM
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6.5
Printer(s):
mimaki jv3

(05-14-2008 01:59 PM)Fingers Wrote:  No - the Ultra driver is far superior IMHO. I run the 160SP with similar settings to you, but have had no problems. Just though I'd ask the obvious.

hi there i run a mimaki jv3 130 sp2 but onyx doesnt support the exact model but supports
most of the other jv3 models which driver would be best to use with onyx 6.5 the mimaki ultra or the 75 sp 2 ive been told to use the mimaki 160 and change the page layout size to 130 same as my model

i spoke to a firm where the onyx program came from and the said there wasnt a key update file or dongle update for my exact model but wanted to sell me a new program for 2grand .. i could do with onyx 7.3.2. but i mised the update and they have stopped it now . this onyx has really put me off printing and i feel like selling all my gear now i dont seem to be getting any where .
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Offline MarcoRoos Posted 07-29-2010 - 01:49 AM
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(07-27-2010 01:06 PM)gazzamania Wrote:  
(05-14-2008 01:59 PM)Fingers Wrote:  No - the Ultra driver is far superior IMHO. I run the 160SP with similar settings to you, but have had no problems. Just though I'd ask the obvious.

hi there i run a mimaki jv3 130 sp2 but onyx doesnt support the exact model but supports
most of the other jv3 models which driver would be best to use with onyx 6.5 the mimaki ultra or the 75 sp 2 ive been told to use the mimaki 160 and change the page layout size to 130 same as my model

i spoke to a firm where the onyx program came from and the said there wasnt a key update file or dongle update for my exact model but wanted to sell me a new program for 2grand .. i could do with onyx 7.3.2. but i mised the update and they have stopped it now . this onyx has really put me off printing and i feel like selling all my gear now i dont seem to be getting any where .

Hi all,

Since ONYX 6.5 a lot of things changed. Especially for printers like the JV3. The problems I am reading above are related to wrong light ink and/or VarDot settings in the profile. In 6.5 there was no way to control it, in 7.3.2 there are a lot of ways to controle it and X10 is doing all the stuff automatically for you. With great results.

We are profiling, testing and printing all kind of RIP software in our profiling lab. We get VERY good results with both 7.3.2 and X10. Also on the JV3. X10 is a lot easier to profile with better results.

About your upgrade offer: yes the 6.5 to X10 upgrade has been offered to all end-users for a couple of months, with a clear deadline. Today you will have to buy an upgrade from 6.5 to X10.

Regards,
Marco
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Offline Andy_warp Posted 01-30-2013 - 03:19 PM
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Onyx Version:
PH 10.2.5/Thrive 11.1
Printer(s):
EVO33, mimaki jv4-180

We are running a Jv4-180. We purchased the upgrade to 10.2 Production house, and low and behold, no more support for jv4.
We have it tricked that we are running an ultra machine, and have been getting great results. We were using posterprint previously with an OEM print dot pattern. We were having major starve out issues, but since switching to Onyx, the problem has disappeared. With a proper media and icc profile, and stochastic dots, we are using way less ink. We are a grand format dye sub shop, so going straight to your substrate is a completely different monster.
We have been having some serious issues with banding in gradients, and light builds (ie: c=2,m=0,y=2,k=0)
The banding comes out rainbow color, and I have yet to solve the issue. Our profile is nailing pantones, and anything that is a solid color looks fantastic and accurate...the problem is, those projects are few and far between. Every designer uses gradients and blends...so we have to go to raster and add noise.
Is this an issue any one else is having? I've tried smart 16, and 16-bit processing, but to no avail.
Is it my icc profile?
Thanks,
Andy
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