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Latex Self-adhesive Registration & Summa S160T

Offline ttlcntrlprint Posted 11-16-2011 - 03:03 PM
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Hi list, can anyone please recommend a compatible self-adhesive substrate from 42 to 60 inch for the Summa S160T contour cutter that can keep good registration throughout?
I've now fully tested Ritrama SAV incorporating straightness optimisation, with little success for this cheap calendared media.
I would like to steer away from 3M for the obvious price comparisons, as it's bloody expensive.
We've sourced a new SAV media from Metamark. Does anyone have experience with Metamark SAV?

Many thanks,
Christian Macey
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Offline Scott Posted 11-17-2011 - 05:04 PM
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I print a ton of 54" Arlon DPF8000 on our L65500 which we laminate and then cut on our 160T. I don't have any registration issues (so far) and everything lines up nicely. This is a high tack adhesive however on this product so it may not fit your needs. I've also had good success with Arlon DPF 6000XRP and 4560GTX.

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Offline Hotspur Posted 11-18-2011 - 01:56 PM
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Hi
If you have a Summa then Latex registration should be OK on most SAV.
The workarounds in the printer and Onyx are quite limited but the Summa cutter itself has a good answer to this issue.
If you look in the user guide section 3.3.2 which you can find here: http://www.summa.be/html_en/support/documents.php
there is a mode called Opos XY. If you draw a line (or use the Summa plug in for Illustrator etc which does it for you) between the first registration marks, the Summa will check along the line for bowing in addition to the usual reg marks.
Any bowing will be automatically taken into account for each cut job.
It does mean you have to set the marks in Illustrator outside of the rip and it does take a little more time to read the extra marks but it works well if you are stuck on a certain job that needs good registration.
Might be worth giving it a try.
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Offline ttlcntrlprint Posted 11-23-2011 - 01:32 PM
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HP L25500-HP Z6100's-Summa S160T

Hi Hotspur, thank you for the reply. I've have tried the Illustrator plug-in for CS5 but CutServer seems to have problems recognising the stroke added to the Y axis. Do we need to turn off the default OPOS registration squares/marks?
ONYX 10.1 has now implemented a bowing compensation option in CutServer. This is hidden, until selected in the cutter preferences. Have you had a chance to try this feature yet? There seems to be a couple of values to input including a media start value to compensate for heater warm up at start of roll

Thanks again,
Christian
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Offline Hotspur Posted 11-24-2011 - 12:24 PM
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Hi Christian

No you can't use Onyx cut server for Opos XY.
As the reg marks and the Y axis stroke are generated outside of Onyx the cut file needs to be sent directly to the cutter from the Summa software.
Once you have installed the Summa software - Summa cutter tools and Winplot - you will find the Summa plug-in is installed in Illustrator / Corel.
I have Ai 4 so mine is found in "File - Summa" and choose the Opos XY marks which will add them automatically to your image.
When you are ready to go, return to this menu and choose "Send to Winplot" which sends the cut lines to the Summa Winplot software where you can check the cut lines and then output to the cutter in a similar fashion to Onyx Cut Server.
Obviously you need to also print the job through Onyx like a normal print with no reg marks added.

I have used the Onyx Cut Server compensation option and it works OK but has the same limitations as the HP fix on the printer - you have to manaully measure and set it up only for a change of media or humidity / temp etc to make the settings redundant and you have to do it all over again.
I like the Summa arrangement as it needs no manual input and will take into account variations in the amount of bowing per cut job.
Also we push it as a solution as we sell Summas and the competition doesn't have this feature so it's a good match with the Latex Vs other cutters, but some prefer the HP or Cut Server option as they like to keep everything in Onyx.
Also it takes a bit more time to read the reg marks so I guess you should try all three workarounds and see which one best fits your workflow.
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Offline ttlcntrlprint Posted 11-28-2011 - 12:20 AM
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Hi Hotspur, thanks for reply. It seems to me none of the options are very reliable when cutting 2sqm small labels from the Latex. 1mm bad registration and game over for small labels.
We're more large format anyway, and hope our contour cutting experience with this small registration problem will not increase when cutting large window signage?

Thanks again,
Christian
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Offline fullermj Posted 08-02-2012 - 02:11 AM
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Hi Christian,

New to the forum - so if this post goes wrong . . .

We have a 60" & 42" L25500 and use a Summa D750 to print literally 000's of stickers, either straight on the SAV and matt or gloss laminated.

We print on JACS White Sign Digital vinyl (from Victory design) mostly on a 30" roll with JACs Matt or Gloss laminate.

Have just replaced a Gerber plotter with a Summa S140T, so will report back as I'm just about the upgrade Onyx etc.

Would highly recommend the JAC, not only on cost but trouble free Print n' Cut.

cheers,
Mark
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Offline Hotspur Posted 08-31-2012 - 02:01 PM
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Just to update you can use OPOS XY in Onyx CutServer now - an upgrade to 10.1 & fully in 10.2 gives complete control of this feature without having to go outside Onyx.
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