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"bumps" in profile

Offline T.Schruda Posted 02-22-2012 - 12:02 PM
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after creating a lin and a profile using the onyx colorengin and the 3500 patches swap for my CMYK+RGB printer i experience 2 dents/bumps in the profile.. on the green/yellow side mostly around L40.. and on the blue/magenta one in the darks.. see attached screenshot..

i wonder how i can get the missing colors back?.. in an RGB profile they are all there!

are threre just patches missing on the swap? or is it something in the lin im doing wrong?

http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/display/27188375

any help ??
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Offline Correct Color Posted 02-22-2012 - 01:05 PM
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It's not linearization.

Most likely explanation is improper ink limits, or improper relationship between your ink restrictions and ink limits, or some combination of both.

Only other cause might be some mis-printed patches, but I doubt that's your issue.


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Offline T.Schruda Posted 02-22-2012 - 01:10 PM
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thnx for your answer.

i limitied every channel at the croma peak.. i built one target on another paper where the blue/magenta bump is a little less.. but the green one is always there!

can u draw a conclusion which channel or inklimit is responsible for that green part between L 40 and L 60 ??
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Offline Correct Color Posted 02-23-2012 - 07:28 AM
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Truth to tell, from that image it's impossible to say; but honestly, the whole profile looks a little whacked out to me. I see other issues than just the ones the arrows are pointing to.

I am a little curious though. If you don't mind a little critique here on why people should hire professionals to do their profiling, and want to email me a copy of the profile; the whole media, including the ICC, I'll take a look in a little more depth and let you know what I find.

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Offline T.Schruda Posted 02-23-2012 - 08:39 AM
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critique is for learning.. although i thought i was the professional.. haha

its on its way!
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Offline Correct Color Posted 03-02-2012 - 12:37 PM
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Alright, after looking into this a little, here's the deal:

You've got several issues going on here. And it's still impossible to isolate them all without seeing the actual printed images, however…

First off, why'd you select a variable dots, and then FDRP screening?

Since FDRP is for fixed dots…I'm not sure exactly what issues that might create, as I've never tried to do it. But if you're going to use variable dots, use stochastic screening. And if you're going to use FDRP, use fixed dots.

Aside from that, your issues aren't caused by linearization. They are indeed all caused by the balance between your ink restrictions and your ink limits.

And the fact is that it's that right there that always determines how good a profile will be. I can tell you, there's a huge amount of misunderstanding out there about this issue, and about what profiling is, and how it works. There's a common conception that if you get a spectrophotometer, and some software, and take a couple hour course or watch a few videos online, you'll have this profiling thing down…

Or, of course, you can Print! Read! Next!

Doesn't work like that.

Creating a profile is always creating the state of a device, and then characterizing the device in that state. And the state of the device is going to be whatever you tell it to be.

You define a certain maximum level of each of your primaries, then after linearizing them, you define maximum levels of all colors. And this is really no different digitally than it was in the old days of a pressman fiddling with ink fountain keys to get each job to come out just right. At least the end result is the same.

The difference is that once you define parameters in creating a digital media, then those parameters are all you're going to get every time you use that media. Define them wrong, and you'll leave a lot of your highly-priced machine capability lying on the table each and every time you do.

And, here's the part no one selling printers or RIP's wants to admit: There's no single formulaic answer that will get you every bit of capability out of your printer every time you make a profile.

Also, anything that can be done to automate the procedure by definition dumbs it down, and takes away your ability to get maximum capability out of your printer.

Basically, what you've done here is set your ink limits so low on certain color combinations that the RIP isn't able to create colors beyond the limits you've set. That's what's creating the gaps in your profile.


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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-03-2012 - 05:01 AM
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mike! thanks a lot first for all the time you took lookin through my stuff.. and writing this long answer.. i wish now as you have all my information you can give a precise example of what to actually improve...?

your statement is very general and i totally understand what you are saying. i am pretty positive that i already know a lot more about printers and profiling than many people.. but as we both have the facts here is there a chance you take some time again and advice me on them ?

i got your hint with varDot and screening. i choose this combination as it gave me the smoothest screening! i tried different like stochastic and hipass. but this i got the best results.
stochastic i always saw more dots in light gradients.

to the inklimits...

there is the per chanel limit. that i sat to the max croma values.

and then there is the total limit for A B C .. and the sliders D and E..
which i thought i sat to the max possible values.

let me know which one can efect those bumps ?


thanks
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Offline Correct Color Posted 03-05-2012 - 11:55 AM
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Quote:i wish now as you have all my information you can give a precise example of what to actually improve...?

But I can't do that. For a couple reasons:

First is that while I can see your data and your readings, I can't see the printed sheets you used to get those readings. And seeing them is way more important than the readings.

Second reason is that even if I could, I wouldn't, because if it's that important for you to learn to get this right, what you need to do is hire someone to come teach you. You just cannot learn it on message boards and online.

Quote:there is the per chanel limit. that i sat to the max croma values.

Well, there's a good example. Measuring max chroma can get you a reasonable starting point for single channel ink limits most of the time, but, in the case of this profile, you've actually got a magenta density lower than your yellow density, and your magenta settings way out of whack to your other inks.

If max chroma is telling you to do that, you really should tell it to shut up.

Again, the point of all these settings isn't the settings; it's getting full capability out of the printer with each profile that you make. And the fact is, no device can tell you where that point is. It takes trained and experienced eyes to do that.

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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-06-2012 - 01:42 AM
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thankx for the time.. but it is really sad that this is your opinion.

from my point i thought thats what these forums are for! to learn from each other and to exchange experiences..

my experience with your so called "color experts" are not as good as yours.. i usually know more than them!.. and that is frustrating.

there are so many posts here and all over the net asking for guidance on ink limits and restrictions.. and so few answers found other that WOW onxy does it automatically.. you dont need to click the diamond!!.. only for advanced users.. i would like to advance.. but i dont get any help.. im not buying a program for a couple of thousand dollars if i dont get help but have to hire that help which then says WOW onyx does it automatically..

i wish you took more time in just plain out helping with mistakes you see like the magenta f.e. then with arguing that i have to hire someone.

my conclusion is.. im just not gonna buy the program as my results are that good with RGB profiles.. and i am not able to achieve better quality without the diamond.. and no one tels me (or knows it??) how to use the advanced settings..

thanx for your input though adam..

all the best
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Offline Fingers Posted 03-06-2012 - 10:52 AM
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I sense a real frustration at Onyx's lack of support on this front, and certainly in my experience of Onyx resellers understanding of colour is laughable. But that's Onyx. Take it up with them.

In the meantime, outside of product support, you can get as much knowledge as you're prepared to.

There are plenty of articles online, but you'll need some knowledge first because a lot of the online stuff is written by those with little or no clue as to what they're talking about. Without knowledge, how will you recognise the nuggets in the manure?

There's experience. Trial and error. Practice. That's the thing that makes you better at profiling. "When I change this - what happens to my profile? What if I do this?" But this is slow. And expensive.

And once you've done all that - recognise that what you really want isn't guidance... it's short cuts. Short cuts to the result that having that level of knowledge would give you, without putting in the time and effort to gain that level of knowledge.

There are two routes to those results. Put in the time to learn yourself. Or hire someone who already has and take the short cut. Nothing sad about that.
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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-06-2012 - 02:56 PM
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Thnx Fingers.. i agree half ways..

my experience is though that i am already at a point where my knowledge exceeds that of so many color "gurus" that i dont trust in hiring!

and i have read EVERYTHING that at least i could find online.. and everything stops at a point when it is getting interesting.

on the one hand you have the color gurus coming from the "press area".. ask them about profiling and limits and they talk about GCR black building with CMY in the lights f.e. so you dont have black dots.. took me a little while to realize that that just doesnt aply to modern inkjet printers with 4 gray/black inks!. just an example..
and when you come to profiling 7color inkjets.. there is hardly anyone who knows what todo..

i even sent MIKE my profile like he asked for and finally hoped he could help me.. not so much because i need it .. but more because i am so eager to learn! to improve.. and advance.. thats all im lookin for.
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Please undestand that Onyx talk forum is not hosted by ONYX Graphips Inc. We employ a technical support team and that is the preferred method for technical assistant and communication with ONYX Graphics. We consider this forum a great resource to our user base, but ultimately its best if you contact us directly. Those of us that visit this forum do so as time affords us the opportunity and we do it in the spirit of sharing information and comraderie with our end users. If you feel that something is lacking please allow us the opportunity to remedy it by contacting our support team.

As for the software; ONYX has provided easy starting points and some automation for those who choose to create their own print conditions. For the majority of users this has been well received in X10. For the minority that want to go beyond "Print, Read, Next" we have provided the tools necessary to maximize print conditions. I'd strongly recommend consultanting the online help, as it generally has more information than the sidebar "tips". There are also links to technical articles on the more difficult subjects of Ink Restricting and Ink Limiting (and others).

For Ink Restrictions go to Help (F1)
Look in the Index for Ink Restriction; when you click this entry there will be two topics, click "Ink Restriction". This page will have information on all of the basic and advanced settings for the Automated and Legacy Ink Restrictions.
http://www.onyxgfx.com/newsletter/Maximi...ov2010.pdf

Ink Limits
http://www.onyxgfx.com/newsletter/Maximi...ug2010.pdf

Additionally if you subscribe to the newsletter it includes these tech articles as they are published. Here is a link to past tech articles.
http://www.onyxgfx.com/newsletter/

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Offline Fingers Posted 03-07-2012 - 10:43 AM
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Doug - my comment re: Onyx was about resellers. I've dealt with three in the UK. They can set it up, but they wouldn't recognise half the terms used in this thread, let alone be able to advice on the features within Media Manager.

TS - I had the same problem. Lots of press guys. BUT there are experts who are wide format through and through. If Mike can't make it to Germany, ask around.
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Offline virtu Posted 03-07-2012 - 01:09 PM
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Schruda if you are german then there are 2 men that can help you, go hilfdirselbst.ch and post your question in the colormanagement forum. Thomas Richard and Loethelm can help you i am sure.
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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-08-2012 - 01:53 AM
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Doug.. thany you very much on your approach. i didnt know those 2 tech letters and they added some more information. very thankfull for that.

what i am kind of missing in all the manuals and information are practicle hints... f.e. seeing ink settings and the resulting profile.. and then saying here you see this and that in the profile.. which refers to those mistakes in the restrictions.. if we change them.. dadaaa. here we go.. THAT would be so helpful in my eyes.

i may not consider myself an expert but i am pretty sure ahead of a lot of the press guys when it comes to inkjet profiles..

thats why i started this thread with two very precise questions.. and would like to come back to those..:

what causes the bumps in this particular profile?

is this question too hard to answer?.. seriously? maybe it is?.. but the thing is i get this "dent" between yellow and green in all my 7color profiles.. never in the RGB contone ones.. so is it an inkrestriction / limit problem? or a software rendering problem ??

@fingers.. exactly..! thank you!

@virtu.. yes i learned a lot specially from thomas..
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Offline virtu Posted 03-09-2012 - 01:23 AM
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good luck with 7 C, i gave up the 12c profile for my canon and print with photoshop Wink
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Offline Correct Color Posted 03-09-2012 - 09:36 AM
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Quote:If Mike can't make it to Germany, ask around.

Now you know I can make it to Germany. Anyplace anyone wants me to go, I'm game.

Quote:what i am kind of missing in all the manuals and information are practicle hints... f.e. seeing ink settings and the resulting profile.. and then saying here you see this and that in the profile.. which refers to those mistakes in the restrictions.. if we change them.. dadaaa. here we go.. THAT would be so helpful in my eyes.

But what you're missing is a couple things: First, I said I can't help you any further without seeing your printed patch sets, but you seem to have overlooked that in wanting to express your disappointment in me for not completely solving your issue online.

Well...understand: I told you where to look for your issue. I told you what it is, and what it isn't. I also told you you have an issue with your magenta density.

I'd hardly call that nothing.

And the fact is, without seeing your patch sets, I can't help you any further. What you're missing that I've told you is that eventually it's subjective decisions that determine how to set inking parameters on any device that prints with primaries. And that's why to get all the capability a device has to give, there's no one set set of procedures you can learn from tech tips or manuals or online that will get you there.

But, secondly: You do understand that I'm what's considered what you called a "color guru" right?

I mean, you do understand that I do this for a living?

Thing is, it took me my entire adult lifetime to learn what I know about putting ink onto media. And if I teach you what I know, then you get to use it for the rest of your lifetime as well.

Do you honestly think that has no value?

Do you honestly expect me to do it for free?

Are you in the habit of giving away your services for free?


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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-09-2012 - 11:08 AM
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mike.. first of all.. i appreciate most people who take their time to help others (there are people that just answer threads because they dont have anyone to talk to so i may exclude those .. ;-)

it might have sound a little harsh.. and this is prbly based on my dissapointment. you are right.

the people i talked to who actually KNEW about colormanagement with inkjets are invisiable compared to the amount of salesmen reps and dh's that think an inkjet printer with light inks is a 6 colorl machine!

so when you finally apeared to answer my thread and even asked for a PM including my profiles i actually thought you were the one i was waiting for so long who is just excited to meat someone at the other end of the world to dive as deep and exchange knowledge.

and then it was just your answer that brought that dissapointment up.. i dont blame you it!.. it was totally my fault..

i had actually thought that a "guru" would be able to say. hey by looking at your profile. you gotta tweak this and that.. and for the gradient between green and yellow.. thats this limit and.. boom.. solved.. and learned..

i had the feeling thats what those forums are for.. and thats why people come together here.. and not for advertising their work ?

and this is the answer to your last questions.. yes. because of the habit of this forum i thought you (or who ever answers) does that for free.
i never thought it had no value.. no.. of course not.. if it were worthless i wouldnt ask.. ;-)

and yes.. I do give all my knowledge away to people who ask..

and i am glad and happy i know many people who do this in their profession on a free basis.

like doug from onyx f.e. who writes here in his free time..

i dont wanna argue about it and in the end i am just dissapointed as you realized..

i did a lot!! of testing.. and learned quite a lot, too.. its hard for me to believe that my magenta has to do anything with the bump in the green.. but i might be wrong.
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Offline virtu Posted 03-09-2012 - 01:16 PM
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mike,

in my opinion most of your post here are self-advertisment. you answer very shortly then you start saying how good you are and the only solution for every problem is to hire you.

i agree that you cant help schruda without seeing his printed patches. but when you say that you dont want to share informations that took you lot of time to learn then i dont know why you post here, if its not advertisment.

schruda to come to your problem again:
if you think that your ink is too restricted then start a new profile, set restrictions higher. do the profile, compare to old 1.
like fingers said, its all about read, try, learn from others and try again. your profiles will get better and better.

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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-10-2012 - 02:11 AM
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thanx virtu.. im glad i wasnt the only one who got that impression..

the tech pages that doug posted had some very interesting explanations that go further than the usual.. about how the sections a-e work together on the limit swatch! i just didnt feel like going through everything again.

the funny thing about my "problem" is that i compared many!! prob like 20 7channel profiles that i did with either monaco, pm or onyx.. and i always get this bump in green/yellow!

so i thought when an "expert" asks for my data it is easy for him to see which limit is concerned with those patches that give the bump.

looks like it is a mixture of the channel green and yellow..
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I recently took employment law advice. I read forums, I contacted the free government advice lines, and then, to be sure of myself, I paid a solicitor. What's the difference between that and what's happening here? I look after my various machines daily - but I still hire an engineer to come and service them every year... What's the difference?

This forum is a peer support forum. People who use Onyx helping each other out - so your expectation of shared advice is realistic. But only if any of your peers have the necessary knowledge and want to share it. BUT us ink monkeys often don't have the expert knowledge. The experts have that, and when you cross from shared peer information into expert advice, you pay for it.

As a fellow user/member of this forum I'd ask you to consider this. Is this forum a stronger place through having experts offer some of their advice and guidance for free but drawing a line after which their services are chargeable OR would you rather they didn't bother coming here, put off by the whining of those wanting handouts? Personally, I'm grateful for the involvement of Doug, Mike, Marco etc... and if responses like those in this thread put them off you'll have damaged the forum for those of us who value their input. Please get a grip! You don't work for free, why the hell do you expect others to?

Finally, being specific it's not hard to check your facts before making statements like that. Click on Correct Color - click on posts - and read through the 68 posts Mike has made here. When you're done reading through the number of very technical discussions Mike has been involved in, decide whether his input is something you want to lose! (and maybe even post an apology if you're big enough!)
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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-11-2012 - 03:13 AM
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thanx fingers.

its a good point you are stating. i agree and how you put it, it makes total sense.

personally i see a big difference in how doug answered. and he got my appreciation for that.

in mikes help i felt like virtu spoke it out.

we have a saying here "the tone makes the music". mikes "tone" just led to misunderstanding. and the line between that is for free and the rest you may buy is maybe just not clear enought for us.

and i always thanked for the input and the time people take.. as by the way. i take a lot of time, too to help other people as there are quite a lot who know less then me.
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Offline Correct Color Posted 03-12-2012 - 08:33 AM
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virtu,

Quote:in my opinion most of your post here are self-advertisment. you answer very shortly then you start saying how good you are and the only solution for every problem is to hire you.

Oh, wow!...Called out!...*back of hand to forehead*... The horror!

Well, um, here's a little flash for you: Of course everything I post here is advertisement.

Understand that unlike Doug, and unlike Marco, I'm a one-man band. And as that, there are only so many hours in a day, and there's only so much I can do. So, of course, everything I ever post online regarding color management is to some degree or another self-promotion, or-if you prefer-advertisement. Why else would I do it? (Which, I'll point out, is exactly like Doug and Marco. Neither of them are Onyx end-users looking for peer-to-peer advice. Both of them are here to attempt to create a positive presence for their brands, or, if you will, advertising.)

However, I do take some pretty serious exception with your description of my posts. I actually took Fingers' advice and spent a little time looking back through them yesterday, and the fact is that not all that many of them offer the advice to hire a color expert. And almost none of them--and none I could find--offer the explicit recommendation to hire me personally.

Fact is, my usual goal for posting anywhere online is just to get my name out enough that people might think of me when they need the services I provide. And, in the process of doing that, by demonstrating enough knowledge to make them see that hiring me would be worth their while.

And my general rule of thumb in answering any questions goes something like this: If I have the answer to the question, no matter how obscure, but answering it does not reveal anything proprietary to how I conduct my business, I'm glad to give it; if the answer involves something that is integral to how I conduct my business, but it's readily available other places online, I'll also give that answer as well.

However, if the answer is something I do in my business that to my knowledge I do in a way no one else does, well, then, the answer to the question is: Hire me.

Now, I'm real sorry if it offends you that I don't hide that information under a bushel. And it may very well be considered advertising. But it's also good advice. And it also comes with a pretty solid guarantee.

Now, of course I charge for my services. But let's just compare hiring me to your advice:

Quote:if you think that your ink is too restricted then start a new profile, set restrictions higher. do the profile, compare to old 1.
like fingers said, its all about read, try, learn from others and try again. your profiles will get better and better.

Okay. But here's the problem: That isn't any more 'free' than hiring me. Each time anyone who takes this advice makes a trial profile, that takes time, and it takes material. If he's a business owner, then his time is all he has to sell. Time he's spent making test profiles is time he's not selling; time he's not marketing; time he's not networking or running his business or growing his business. If the taker of this advice isn't a business owner, then he's using someone else's equipment, time, and materials to attempt to increase his own knowledge.

Myself, either way, I'd call that horribly inefficient.

But wait! There's more!

It's also understood if unspoken here that for whatever amount of time the recipient of your advice is making trial-and-error profiles, he's using substandard profiles for work he's producing for customers. Put another way, he's paid for machine capability he's not getting each and every time he makes a print...and, since he's using a RIP, he's paid for that software to get full capability out of his printer, and he's wasting that as well.

So in that time, how many test prints is he going to have to print to try and get color for clients? How much time and material is he wasting in printing them? And how many clients is he going to lose by missing deadlines or not being able to hit colors?

I'd call all that pretty inefficient as well.

Of course, there's even more. The final question then would be: Well, how long might it take to reach a point by trial and error where a taker of your advice is certain he's made the best profiles he can make, and is getting full capability out of his machines on each and every media, on each and every print, each and every time?

And...*drumroll*...here is your very own answer:

Quote:good luck with 7 C, i gave up the 12c profile for my canon and print with photoshop

Y'know, maybe it's just me, but if I couldn't figure out how to do something, I'd probably not be quite so forthcoming with offering advice on how to do it.


T.Schruda,

Well, I offered to help you out and analyze your profile for you. So you sent it to me and then badgered me with what seemed like an email every ten minutes, and so I finally gave you a pretty good analysis, and a few pointers as well; and ever since you've had a pretty good time here bashing me and expressing your frustrations with me and my 'tone."

Which I guess just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished.

But here's the bottom line:

"i had actually thought that a "guru" would be able to say. hey by looking at your profile. you gotta tweak this and that.. and for the gradient between green and yellow.. thats this limit and.. boom.. solved.. and learned.."

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. If it did, then software truly could do it completely automatically, and there wouldn't be any need for black diamonds. As good as the software could do it would be as good as it could be.

No. Each situation is different. What you've overlooked at every point here is what I told you initially: I--or anyone else--can only tell you so much by looking at the profile. To make a determination of where to set the ink restrictions and limits, it takes looking at the actual printed piece, then having knowledge, and then applying it.

Now that may not be what you want to hear. But that is the way it is.


Mike Adams
Correct Color

(Edited to add: So I wrote up this response this morning, just looking at the bottom posts in the thread. Then I happened to go back and look at the initial posts, and, in particular, my post suggesting Mr. Schruda send me his profile:

Quote:I am a little curious though. If you don't mind a little critique here on why people should hire professionals to do their profiling, and want to email me a copy of the profile; the whole media, including the ICC, I'll take a look in a little more depth and let you know what I find.

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(This post was last modified: 03-12-2012 08:52 AM by Correct Color.)
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Offline T.Schruda Posted 03-13-2012 - 01:41 AM
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Onyx Version:
10
Printer(s):
z3200

man.. im pretty sure if you showed more of your pretended knowledge than taking so much time to write those long aditorials about yourself - you would get hired more often...

this is not ment to be rude.... but some positive feedback
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Offline Fingers Posted 03-13-2012 - 02:33 AM
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Onyx Version:
7.3.2
Printer(s):
Hp5000, HP5500, Mimaki JV3

I'm not sure how well you'll translate "positive feedback suppository" but I think that's what you should make of your last post. Your attitude to someone voluntarily trying to help you stinks! There's a lack of charm and gratitude in your posts which is highly inappropriate. Perhaps the lack of intellect or manners demonstrated on your part might be being found in translation - let's hope so eh?

Incidentally - a quick look back at your past posts shows that every one is you asking for help with colour in some way. I hope you manage to figure out what it is you're doing wrong. I don't think I have anything to add that can help you, so I'm done with the thread. Good luck.

This is meant to be rude in a positive way - does that make it better?
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