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Anyone import ICC profiles made in other software?

Offline Pauly Posted 09-28-2015 - 06:16 PM
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Onyx Version:
12.0
Printer(s):
Oce Arizona 480XT

I want to create a profile using 3rd party software and not use the onyx ICC profile.

Reason being is that i use a Barbieri Spectro pad and that uses it's own software inside onyx. But that software is out of date and doesn't allow different light sources from the device.

Inside the onyx icc profiler when you edit the advance settings, Oce recommend certain settings to get the correct colour Ie start blacks at 45 on moderate.
Will that cause any issues using 3rd party software (the barbieri software in this case) ?

Thanks in advance

disregard what i said here. I realised i need more software on top of the Barbieri gateway.

Then i found this: http://www.vistalogics.com/onyx-barbieri-support.html

But the instructions doesn't seem clear enough. Because i cannot get proper printed charts no matter if the ICC profile is on or off on the print mode i'm creating.

I get the principal of how it works, and think it's great as the build in barbieri software in onyx is crap and buggy.
(This post was last modified: 09-29-2015 01:03 AM by Pauly.)
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Offline Mikulas Posted 09-29-2015 - 06:18 PM
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Onyx Version:
10.2
Printer(s):
L26500, W8400+Onyx / Mimaki JV4, JV5 +TexPrint

For "scientific purposes" many people use many tools. Grin I like my MS Excell and its charts!!!

If not talking about high-level solutions like Heidelberg/Kodak/etc. ... one of the most popular research+study tools is the old good ProfileMaker5. It is a toolbox (not step-by-step approach) wonderful for analyzing stuff. I LOVE its averaging and comparing functions - absolutely brilliant for non-standard media and problematic reading ! Cool

But when it comes to profiling... Onyx with his advanced ink-limiting gives some superior results... (and much faster)

And when it comes to patch optimization, patch reading, or profile generation the new i1 Profiler is maybe 1,5 generation ahead.
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Offline virtu Posted 09-30-2015 - 07:26 AM
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Printer(s):
Spuhl virtu RS-35, Canon ipf9100, HP5000, RS-640

Hi,

In Onyx 7 i had this workflow, which should also work in Onyx 10, 11....

Create a Media i Media Manager, create a print mode. Then you do Ink Limits, Linearization, Total Ink Limit.

When it comes to create an ICC Profile you can close Media Manager and save your media/printmode.

You now have a new media which is linearized but has no ICC yet.

Next step: you open an ICC chart with ICC TURNED OFF in Preflight. Print the chart.

Next step: Read the chart with your "other software" which can be profilemaker, eye1 match or whatever.

Create a Profile in your "other software", export the icc from that software.

Then you go an import that ICC in your Media to Onyx.

As i see in other posts, you print much on glass. That is very tricky! Glass reflects light much more then a white paper or vinyl. So what you have to do is the KING of profiling and really advanced.

Good luck.
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Offline Pauly Posted 09-30-2015 - 09:11 PM
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Onyx Version:
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Oce Arizona 480XT

(09-29-2015 06:18 PM)Mikulas Wrote:  For "scientific purposes" many people use many tools. Grin I like my MS Excell and its charts!!!

If not talking about high-level solutions like Heidelberg/Kodak/etc. ... one of the most popular research+study tools is the old good ProfileMaker5. It is a toolbox (not step-by-step approach) wonderful for analyzing stuff. I LOVE its averaging and comparing functions - absolutely brilliant for non-standard media and problematic reading ! Cool

But when it comes to profiling... Onyx with his advanced ink-limiting gives some superior results... (and much faster)

And when it comes to patch optimization, patch reading, or profile generation the new i1 Profiler is maybe 1,5 generation ahead.

Might have a look at that, Thanks!

(09-30-2015 07:26 AM)virtu Wrote:  Hi,

In Onyx 7 i had this workflow, which should also work in Onyx 10, 11....

Create a Media i Media Manager, create a print mode. Then you do Ink Limits, Linearization, Total Ink Limit.

When it comes to create an ICC Profile you can close Media Manager and save your media/printmode.

You now have a new media which is linearized but has no ICC yet.

Next step: you open an ICC chart with ICC TURNED OFF in Preflight. Print the chart.

Next step: Read the chart with your "other software" which can be profilemaker, eye1 match or whatever.

Create a Profile in your "other software", export the icc from that software.

Then you go an import that ICC in your Media to Onyx.

As i see in other posts, you print much on glass. That is very tricky! Glass reflects light much more then a white paper or vinyl. So what you have to do is the KING of profiling and really advanced.

Good luck.

I did exactly this. But i think i found where i went wrong. I had the quick set pushing an ICC though at the same time.
(This post was last modified: 09-30-2015 09:12 PM by Pauly.)
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Offline Mikulas Posted 10-02-2015 - 03:16 AM
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Onyx Version:
10.2
Printer(s):
L26500, W8400+Onyx / Mimaki JV4, JV5 +TexPrint

I had the quick set pushing an ICC though at the same time.
LOLLOLLOL
This is a relatively rare mistake...

But finding it doesn´t exclude other dozens of problems coming on you. As virtu correctly noticed - profiling glass sure is a BIG challenge. Without printing a lot of tests, comparing them, analyzing weeks points, etc. etc. you will not be able to make a reasonably good profile. I suppose, that the very first step you´ll need is to find a way how to correctly read the glass. From my experience there is always some problem behind. Even if spectrometer manufacturer is promising "ultimate reading success and speed"...
Good luck!
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